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Dan_Dread
Dan_Dread Oct 9 '13
When shit hits the fan it really shines a light on who's who, doesn't it?


Some embrace the conflict, others do whatever they can to spin it into something negative because they don't like it. They can't deal with the discomfort of it, or are simply too meek to square up, or have not learned to separate themselves from their ideas. Regardless, these sorts seek the 'comfortable' path.


Now this is all well and good, and describes most everyone you see. Nomian folk, going with the flow, as it were. Par for the course.


Yet, when this exact same behaviour manifests within Satanism, something has gone haywire. Especially if this sort of thinking not only gains traction, but becomes representative. This puppy is sick.


So now we have all these voices trying to speak for the sinister path, the brutal path, the path of severity and conflict..all the while acting as apologists for peace and tranquility, and attacking the very thing they pretend to be representing!


And that ladies and gentlemen is why this place will be superior to those others. 

timishardcore
timishardcore Oct 9 '13

Shaken not stirred is the way it should be Mr. Dread :)

 

FemaleSatan
FemaleSatan Oct 10 '13
Dan, I know you've been around forums for awhile. You ever have some guy tell you that the Devil is misunderstood and is really a symbol of something vague like freedom?

There is a reason this issue is as manifest as it is. I honestly think that LaVey deciding to bend to public pressure during the Satanic panic is 99% of why this occurs. Satanism went from being dark shit to people saying things like, 'we don't do anything illegal' or 'we don't kill others.'

Now, while it seems logical to do this in the face of all of that public pressure, it fucks Satanism up. It adds water to what should be a straight shot of whiskey.

The simple truth is there are more of that type in Satanism. People who have read a few books and have declared themselves Satanists, without crossing a single boundary in their mind.

I also know why having been one of them at one point. It's hard, it doesn't allow for self delusion. Glimpsing the true nature of reality is like sitting through the World's bloodiest horror movie.

It was easy to say I am a Satanist, it was much more difficult to do Satanism and continue to do it.


Dan_Dread
Dan_Dread Oct 10 '13
Ya. It's really easy to change nothing but your label and proceed to act as if that alone is meaningful. It's downright hilarious when they believe doing it makes them 'elite' or special in some way. That's why I've always liked Ds 'iwannabespecialism' to describe those sorts.


It's like those people that fall for the army recruiters line..go abroad, have adventures, be a HERO!..then later realize being a soldier actually takes WORK and tedious hours of hardship. The difference is the army can force a 'soldier' to be a 'soldier', while here anyone can don the devils shoes without ever even having to stand up, much less walk.


Nomians take the path of least resistance, yet they mostly all still want the fruits of work..just not the work itself. 


The thing is, if you don't walk it you can't understand well enough to front it anyway, and what you are left with is a bunch of confused clowns

FemaleSatan
FemaleSatan Oct 10 '13
Iwannabespecialism is pretty accurate.


Quote from Dan_Dread It's like those people that fall for the army recruiters line..go abroad, have adventures, be a HERO!..then later realize being a soldier actually takes WORK and tedious hours of hardship. The difference is the army can force a 'soldier' to be a 'soldier', while here anyone can don the devils shoes without ever even having to stand up, much less walk.


The whole recruiter thing reminds me of when I first started reading up on it and thought it was all darkness and glamour. There is an intentional deception that occurs with people that write a lot about Satanism. They (me included) make it sound fun, special, exciting, etc.

I have never seen a writer say, "Hey don't do this. It's super fucked up, you will never be the same and may lose your grasp on reality as a result." Okay, maybe you did with that post you banged up back in February.

The fact that the people that write about Satanism sound more like Army recruiters, vaguely disguising the true nature of Satanism may boil down to a language issue. I say antinomian for example and a good number of people will say, 'ooooo cool' not, 'oh fuck RUN!!!'
LeDeluge
LeDeluge Oct 11 '13

Quote from Dan_Dread

It's like those people that fall for the army recruiters line..go abroad, have adventures, be a HERO!..then later realize being a soldier actually takes WORK and tedious hours of hardship. The difference is the army can force a 'soldier' to be a 'soldier', while here anyone can don the devils shoes without ever even having to stand up, much less walk.




Well, yes. You must understand the motivations of the recruiters though. They sell identities. These "nomians" have none of their own. Thus, the recruiter packages various forms of rebellion, convinces them they meet the criteria, and enjoys the spoils. Oldest trick in the book bro. I stayed around these parts to get away with it. Now, I'm angry. This is good. Thanks for the invite.
Dan_Dread
Dan_Dread Oct 11 '13
Very salient point, LD. I think everyone craves 'identity',and it is much easier to open a 'finished' package than it is to build one that can never be finished by definition.
Dan_Dread
Dan_Dread Oct 15 '13
Exactly that. 'soft' Satanism is a mere identity pin, just another for the bin. Pick one out and pin it on, they are all essentially the same. No growth or refinement in character, because nothing is actually done. 


To answer your question though there is only one thing I have found - 


Unity of purpose.







The Forum post is edited by Dan_Dread Oct 15 '13
BeastXeno
BeastXeno Oct 15 '13
Sorry Doc.. but I think the answer would be: When its time to act.


As for the meat of the beast here, it sickens me, what is done (or not) in the name of the devil these days. 



Dan_Dread
Dan_Dread Oct 15 '13
To build and to destroy, of course.


With that, it's off to bed for me!

DivineMonkey
DivineMonkey Oct 16 '13

Quote from jack_macleod What would you propose building?

What would you propose destroying?

Why?

"When you realize how perfect everything is, you will tilt your head back to laugh at the sky."  - Gautama
I think it matters not what you destroy or build, as long as you do it better than all other prospects.

XiaoGui17
XiaoGui17 Oct 13 '17
I know this is old, but...


Quote from FemaleSatanYou ever have some guy tell you that the Devil is misunderstood and is really a symbol of something vague like freedom?

The "villain is really just a misunderstood anti-hero" trope is becoming more and more and more prevalent in pop culture.


Maleficent, Wicked*, and Frozen come to mind. Idina Menzel will sing you an inspirational number on embracing who you are on the inside, no matter how many outsiders condemn you! Because you are a precious, unique snowflake!


Or, you are a fallible, flawed, frail human like everyone else, and what will make you strong is not self-acceptance but self-awareness. But I doubt that would sell as many tickets. And I don't know that there are any swelling musical numbers to go with it.


That sappy occidental value of individualism has come full-circle. The logical conclusion of it is that we all need to embrace whatever the fuck it is we are inside, social condemnation be damned. But of course, without any genuine self-examination, we don't stop to think that perhaps "what we are inside" is itself a result of social conditioning, and we each conclude that we are merely a slightly more spooky variation on a generic socially acceptable base model. Which is somehow unique.


*I'll distinguish Wicked the broadway musical from the book. Gregory Macguire's book was excellently dark and explored uncertainty and limitation without flinching. Also, it is the very best writing of a female perspective by a male author I ever have seen. I was very disappointed when I went to see the musical, which basically wiped its ass with that and gave a sanitized Disney version instead.

dimitri
dimitri Oct 13 '17
The trend in current day society is the lack of character.
There aren't any real women or men to go around. All want to stand out and invoke their individuality-card but are too afraid to leave the comfort of group-think.

That's the modern day problem within Satanism and other "banners" alike.
The trope of being "anti-hero" reflects the sentiment. People search for strong characters but no longer dare to make a distinction on their own. They look for a middle-way where all can come happily together in the center to dance and sing around a campfire. It enables the formation of characters to look up to and be associated to "en groupe".

Strong characters are few and far in between. Those that are, attract. Those that aren't will follow, converge, enforce and apologize without thinking.
The Forum post is edited by dimitri Oct 13 '17
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