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Jesus Dec 9 '13

"Neo-Nazism consists of post-World War II social or political movements seeking to revive Nazism.

Neo-Nazism borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including militant nationalism, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, and antisemitism. Holocaust denial is a common feature, as is incorporation of Nazi symbols and admiration of Adolf Hitler. It is related to the white nationalist and white power skinhead movements in many countries."


That's what Wikipedia has to say about it, and I think a definition is a good place to start. I want to gather some opinions both Pro-Nazi and Anti-Nazi. It would be great if I could find a real Neo-Nazi to personally explain the ideology of it all. 


What do you think about the Neo-Nazi movement?

What is your opinion on Judaism?

What do you think about homosexuals, foreigners and other races?

What about the Holocaust? If you think it didn't happen, why?


(For anyone who cares, I also posted this in the600club. I want to get a variety of opinions)

timishardcore
timishardcore Dec 9 '13

 Well we have a few here who MIGHT fit that description. I have yet to understand the loyalty and honor they feel toward the state (Fuehrer) as they say. I do not disagree with the theory , just with the application of it in real life.


 Still asking questions though :)

Hatepeach
Hatepeach Dec 9 '13

What do you think about the Neo-Nazi movement?

Most Neo-nazis are obsequious weaklings and freaks.  To say nothing of 'stupid.'


What is your opinion on Judaism?

Judaism is appropriate to Jews, and practiced conservatively carries the immense benefit of minimizing their interaction with other groups.  As an ideology, Judaism is despicable.  I believe this to be self-evident, but graciously invite anyone to belabor the point with me.  Despicable.  You didn't ask my opinion about Jews, but I'll give it anyway.  As Voltaire said: "to find out who controls you, simply learn whom you are not allowed to criticize..."  


What do you think about homosexuals, foreigners and other races?

I believe that both constitutional homosexuality and homosexual expression between otherwise normal adults is acceptable.  One useful social function of the homosexual is to define the boundaries in which it is acceptable for men to behave like women.  As regards foreigners and other races, I believe in total freedom of association between persons with regards to race and nationality, which is to say that I believe it the inherent right of any coherent group to discriminate in its own favor.  


What about the Holocaust? If you think it didn't happen, why?

I don't deny that the Nazi regime harbored an early, wholly intentional plan to either forcibly displace or liquidate European Jewry wholesale.  Furthermore, I maintain that such was a legitimate act of war.  Nonetheless, there exists an undeniable penumbra of myth and distortion around the so-called Holocaust.  The myth involves two essential and beautifully reinforcing elements.  The first is the passionless and mechanistic way in which the Germans proceeded with their extermination efforts.  We are instructed to remember "The Holocaust," not the inmate orchestra at Auschwitz, nor the cinema or the swimming pool.  The second element of the myth is the unimaginable and subhuman sadism of the Germans against their prisoners.  Essential to inflating this quaint little fiction are lurid tales of soap from human fat, mattresses stuffed with human hair, and lampshades made from human skin.  Upon sober historical analysis, the consensus among academics is that none of these things actually happened.  It may seem trivial to some but what, pray tell, is the so-called 'Holocaust", as a resonant cultural narrative, without the soap, the mattresses, and the lampshades?  That's before we even get started on the gas chambers, the numbers, the locales, or the shameless extortion of Swiss banks after the war by Jewish advocacy groups.  I don't know why so many people admire Hitler and deny the intentionality or partial actualization of his Final Solution.

CanisMachina
CanisMachina Dec 10 '13

What do you think about the Neo-Nazi movement?

 

 

What is your opinion on Judaism?

 

Like any of the other Abrahamic faiths, I see a reworking of archetypal figures used to dictate a narrative serving multiple purposes, subservience mixed with entitlement. I see a policing device.

 

In the case of Modern Judaism (and by extension Israel) I see a massive guilt card, and more financial backing then I care to imagine. Just be sure you don't criticize or you'll be labeled an anti-Semite. They have been persecuted 2000 years, you know! "So give us some land in the most disputed part of the globe, and we will invade our neighbors while playing to the sympathies of the west." -Israel-

  

What do you think about homosexuals?

 

Consenting adults, no ones concern.

 

foreigners, and other races?

 

Who else would own a 7-11, staff the kitchens of restaurants, work in IT, or teach Calculus? However, when they breed for government support they serve no purpose.

As long as nigga don't steal my car, I have no problem, they have great fried food.

Asians cant drive for shit, but at least they're insured.

 

What about the Holocaust? If you think it didn't happen, why?

 

It was a nice effort. Unfortunately it served more harm then good. Stats were sensationalized, and twisted to serve an agenda. It was used as leverage in reestablishing a foothold in the financial/political realm.  Today we have an interconnected global banking system, major media, and many ZOG's around the world making sure their influence remains solid for the foreseeable future.

 

 

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AnnaCzereda
AnnaCzereda Dec 10 '13

"What do you think about the Neo-Nazi movement?"

Fucking pawns under the total control of their leaders, whose only aim is the strife for power. Ideology is a mere tool. Take, for example, a standard political party in a democratic system. It can be the left or right wing, but with moderate views. There are leaders and followers there too, but these followers have their own interests, they will ask questions, demand privileges and so on. If they are not satisfied, they will leave. It's a pain in the ass for the leader, who must work really hard to convince people to follow him. Subtle manipulation requires more skill than blatant brainwashing.


However, give people some insane ideology and it will work wonders in their little stupid heads. It will turn them into zombies, oblivious to anything except that ideology and ready to do anything, even kill for you, without a second thought. It only has to be easy to understand and memorize, something akin to "Four legs good, two legs bad." ("Animal Farm", if someone doesn't remember.) Something simple and catchy, it can't be too complex or it could make the fools think and that would be a disaster.


"What is your opinion on Judaism?"

A religion like any other.


"What do you think about homosexuals, foreigners and other races?"

I think homosexuals should have the same rights as any other citizens. They should have the right to marriage and adoption of children.


As for foreigners, they are the easy scapegoat to use to divert the public opinion from other more serious problems. Take, for example, immigrants. They are the easiest explanation for the rise of unemployment. It's really convenient for politicians to convince people that it's foreigners who steal their jobs from them. Then they won't blame their government for laziness.


"What about the Holocaust? If you think it didn't happen, why?"

Of course, it did happen. And yes, it is often used, even abused, by the Jews to gain some privileges, but it doesn't negate the Holocaust. Some folks can try to rewrite history, but it is all futile. What has happened will never unhappen.

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Hatepeach
Hatepeach Dec 11 '13

Quote from AnnaCzereda However, give people some insane ideology and it will work wonders in their little stupid heads. It will turn them into zombies, oblivious to anything except that ideology and ready to do anything, even kill for you, without a second thought.
I'm curious, Anna, and don't want to make assumptions.  What, in your opinion, is "insane" about national socialism, radical traditionalism, or neo-Nazism?  I'm not enchanted by your assertion that all such people MUST be brain-washed sheeple either.  After all, how many Nazis tried to assassinate their leader, and why?  It doesn't speak to brainwashed idol-worship that anyone would attempt to kill Hitler to save...the Germans and the Nazis.  Really, I don't assume that all Christians or all Marxists or all anti-globalists are driveling morons remotely manipulated by a charismatic leader.  You could extend the same courtesy to the Nazis, considering all they've done for Poland.
SIN_JONES
SIN_JONES Dec 11 '13
Quote from Hatepeach What do you think about the Neo-Nazi movement? Most Neo-nazis are obsequious weaklings and freaks.  To say nothing of 'stupid.'

You didn't opine the Movement, care to expand on this portion of your comment?
Hatepeach
Hatepeach Dec 11 '13
I said this because there's something very "safe" about unadulterated and unqualified Neo-Nazism (in America, anyway) in that they will never shoulder the tremendous burden of being taken seriously as a political movement.  It's a retreat into emotive impotence or it's just a practical basis around which white people occasionally organize their criminal activity. 
SIN_JONES
SIN_JONES Dec 11 '13
Hmmm.  The reason I asked, is ideologically even a vanilla sort of Movement can produce something.  During my short-time communicating with the ANSP (American National Socialist Party), there was some activity in the arena of Education and Connecting with groups with similar goals.  Even though the organization uses a fair bit of Anti-Semitic and Racist Rhetoric, their willingness to have dialogue and network with other groups (such as the Moores) with common goals was in the spirit of seeing the Movement manifest real-time results.   Out of one side of their mouths they are saying "Nigger! Nigger! Nigger!" and out of the other "Oh yes, we understand your disdain for Black History Month, we seek White History!"


More and more of the people involved were pulling their kids from Public Education in favor of Home-schooling.  Just one example of how a movement serves as a catalyst.   Granted, they shy away from using the identity pin of Neo-Nazi but that's essentially what they are.  The Nazi Aesthetic is not only applied in all of their rhetoric, they use the Nazi ranking system for members.




They were marked as a Terrorist Organization and their website has since been taken down.    They mostly targeted college-age kids and used their radio show to proselytize their ideologies.


Here's a bit from their info pack:



WE BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT IS AMERICA IS RUN BY JEWS.

WE BELIEVE THAT THE JEWS MAIN GOAL IS THE TOTAL ANNIHILATION OF THE ARYAN RACE, HERITAGE AND CULTURE.

WE BELIEVE THAT NATIONAL SOCIALISM IS THE ONLY WAY TO INSURE OUR ARYAN RACE, HERITAGE AND CULTRE.

WE BELIEVE THAT THE ARYAN RACE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SHOW THEIR RACIAL PRIDE AS EVERY OTHER RACE IS PERMITTED TO DO.

WE BELIEVE THAT THE ARYAN RACE IS A MINORITY IN AMERICA AND THE WORLD.

WE BELIEVE THE JEWS ARE A PARASITE RACE AND ONLY WISH WORLD DOMINATION AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE ARYAN RACE.

WE BELIEVE THAT THE ARYAN RACE MUST JOIN TOGETHER TO COMBAT THIS PARASITE RACE AND INSRE THE SURVIVAL OF THE ARYAN RACE UNDER THE BANNER OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM.


AnnaCzereda
AnnaCzereda Dec 11 '13
Quote from Hatepeach What, in your opinion, is "insane" about national socialism, radical traditionalism, or neo-Nazism? 

So thinking that your nation or race is supreme or that Jews are responsible for all the disasters all over the world, isn't that insane? It's a very limited worldview, to say the least. Do you find any wisdom in that crap? Because I don't.



Quote from Hatepeach After all, how many Nazis tried to assassinate their leader, and why?  It doesn't speak to brainwashed idol-worship that anyone would attempt to kill Hitler to save...the Germans and the Nazis. 

They tried to kill Hitler, because they managed to see through his bullshit. They supported him in the beginning, because they were either enthusiastic about the new ideology or they simply wanted power. I didn't say all were brainwashed. There were leaders striving for power and privileges and mere pawns/zombies enchanted by the new ideology. It was all well and good till Germany started losing the war. Then several Nazi generals foresaw the impending catastrophe. They woke up. 

Quote from Hatepeach Really, I don't assume that all Christians or all Marxists or all anti-globalists are driveling morons remotely manipulated by a charismatic leader. 

If they blindly follow their leaders or priests, think what they are told to think and do what they are told to do, then yes they are morons.



Quote from Hatepeach You could extend the same courtesy to the Nazis, considering all they've done for Poland.

You must be joking right now...

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