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SIN_JONES
SIN_JONES Aug 26
The Joker just exploited her weaknesses and desires. He did not create them.  
dimitri
dimitri Aug 26

Quote from SIN_JONES The Joker just exploited her weaknesses and desires. He did not create them.  

Enabled them mostly... made her the way she is.
Indirectly he has been empowering her. Gave the little push over the edge to break from normality and be let in on "the Joke".
SIN_JONES
SIN_JONES Aug 27
However, she never needed his permission.  Similarly you don't need a belief in the devil to act on impulse.  We choose, in spite of constraints.
dimitri
dimitri Sep 10
You sure SIN? Vying for attention, voluntarily or not, does indicate a certain power being held. He still is pulling the reigns indirectly.

Kinda like that scene between two-face and the Joker in "The Dark Knight".
Seemingly gave him an option, gave the impression of choicce... while holding the hammer of the gun so that even despite all odds our dear little Harvey still couldn't kill him.

He's been pulling Harleys leg in the same way. Let her act however she wants to but having an invisible hand pulling her strings.
SIN_JONES
SIN_JONES Sep 12
Juxtaposed with the Sade-Masochist relationship; the masochist is always in control. Without permission, there can be no power handed over.

Even after the Joker kills her, she allowed it.
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